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IPIP: include ipns-record in Gateway CAR responses #369

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lidel opened this issue Jan 24, 2023 · 5 comments
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IPIP: include ipns-record in Gateway CAR responses #369

lidel opened this issue Jan 24, 2023 · 5 comments
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IPIP (InterPlanetary) Improvement Proposal need/triage Needs initial labeling and prioritization

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lidel commented Jan 24, 2023

IPIP-351: IPNS Signed Records Response Format on HTTP Gateways will return a raw IPNS record, allowing a custom light client to verify IPNS without having to run DHT client.

Users asked for the ability to export both CIDs and IPNS record into a CAR, transport over sneakernet and load this on airgapped node, which is a good use case.

Another use case is Decentralized Gateway WG, which could benefit from the ability to have a single round-trip that includes full or partial CAR with content + ipns-record.

Broad strokes UX we want to accommodate:

$ curl http://gateway.foo/ipns/{id}?format=car&something > ipns-site-dump.car
$ ipfs import ipns-site-dump.car # imaginary command that goes beyond DAGs 
$ ipfs resolve /ipns/{id}   # works, even in offline mode
$ ipfs dag stat  /ipns/{id} # works, even in offline mode

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cc @hacdias (for now just fyi, tbd if this is something we need to prioritize for Saturn work any time soon)

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jphastings commented Jan 26, 2023

This is great! Am I understanding correctly from your second initial note that you expect a car to contain only ever one IPNS node? (I’m wondering why “at beginning” is important)

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lidel commented Feb 16, 2023

@jphastings these details are highly tbd. We may punt this until we have something like "content path aware CARv3".

If one would want to implement PoC today, they would want ipns-record(s) first in the stream, so the client can fail-fast if none of records is valid (performing signature check from IPNS spec + picking ipns record with highest sequence number if there is more than one). There is no point in parsing blocks for root CID if IPNS→CID mapping is not verified.

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jphastings commented Mar 1, 2023

My original reply collapsed; it was based on a misunderstanding!

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Thanks for the reply @lidel! I don't follow why an invalid IPNS record stored in a CAR would make the other blocks stored in that same CAR invalid/not useful?

An example case might be: I create a CAR that holds the data for two IPLD-encoded Podcast RSS feeds I like. Each podcast is represented by a number of blocks for the MP3s and feed metadata, and an IPNS record which becomes a signed statement that "the entity holding this IPNS private key defined this CID to be the root of the IPLD tree for their podcast at the specified time".

I could have both these podcasts in one CAR. The podcasts could share one episode (ie. have blocks in common). One of the IPNS records could be invalid, but I'd still want to be able to import the valid podcast (and possibly all the blocks).

I agree that putting the IPLD records first is a great optimisation (to help speed up access to large CAR files), but I don't see how it becomes a requirement?

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willscott commented Mar 1, 2023

@jphastings - if i ask for a car representing 'domain.com', and i get back an IPNS record of 'domain.com' pointing to a CID, and then the contents of the CID, then i should be cautious about rendering the CID if i can't validate the IPNS record.

@lidel - I'm curious what you see as requiring a bump of format to "CARv3" vs using the multicodec for IPNS and including such IPNS blocks within the existing car wrapper?

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@willscott my mistake, I misinterpreted @lidel’s comment as implying only one IPNS record per CAR, but on re-reading I can see that’s not the case — thanks for helping me spot that!

@hacdias hacdias added the IPIP (InterPlanetary) Improvement Proposal label May 10, 2023
@hacdias hacdias changed the title IPIP on how to include ipns-record in Gateway CAR responses IPIP: include ipns-record in Gateway CAR responses May 10, 2023
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