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Make fn built-in in strict-mode #998

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@NullVoxPopuli NullVoxPopuli commented Dec 22, 2023

Propose making (fn) a built in helper

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Today, we need

import { fn } from '@ember/helper'`;

This should be built in, and not require an import.



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les2 commented Jan 23, 2024

contrary point of view: if the code editor will be able to suggest the import for fn automatically then maybe implicit import isn't needed.

that said, it does seem useful to have a prologue (like java.lang.* in Java and similar things in other languages) that users can locally override via imports as desired.

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SolPier commented Jan 29, 2024

I also 👍 the proposed alternative of a prolog of some kind, and if not no changes at all:

Coming from a ruby background I find 'magic' (implicit and untrackable injections of any object) exhausting, especially while debugging.

Not loving magic anymore meant JS imports where a blessing to me.
And it seemed ember was going in this direction too, with the explicit imports of ember-template-imports for helpers, modifiers, components, potentially other filetypes ( ❤️ ).
Long gone where the days of debating the best conventions for filenames and locations/structure that we had during the 'Module Unification' #143, which aimed to make the implicit loading of local components work.

Not that to a user it has negative value (sugar feels good), but that would be an overhead to smo who wants to learn ember. Or to a rare ember user debugging / accessing a side project.
The more vanilla and 'free of surprises' ember main files are, the better it is for its adoption in my opinion.

A prologue would be a good compromise.

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NullVoxPopuli commented Feb 17, 2024

A prologue would be a good compromise.

anyone can more or less do this themselves in userspace via this technique: #946 (comment)

especially while debugging.

has anyone ever needed to debug inside fn? if an abstraction has good error messages and in general isn't "leaky" - what's it matter if a feature is provided by the language vs developed in user space? we should optimize for convenience in this scenario.

We don't want to have folks importing if, each, each-in, let, <div>, <html> etc, otherwise... why have any language at all?

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SolPier commented Feb 18, 2024

Very good points, I see it clearer now, and you are right.

That means we have 2 kinds of helpers, those who are 'pre-loaded' and those who need an import from the user.
And what routes this or that helper to one list is their usage frequency.
if, each and each-in meets that threeshold from now, and I'm not sure let should.

It could be beneficial to have an explicit note / list / remarks about that in the documentation ?
Just so it is known that not all helpers are used the same way (some require import, others don't).

But that's out of this PR scope.

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Makes sense to me.

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RFC Review (1) are in favour of this.

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We decided to move this RFC along with #997, #999, #1000 into FCP to accepted today at the RFC meeting.

## Drawbacks

People may not know where `fn` is defined.
- counterpoint: do they need to?, we are defining a lanugage, trying to make it ergonomic.
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(small typo)

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