Meeting Agenda 21 August 2019

[AlexEne]

Opening this for our next meeting.

[Lokathor]

Within this next 2 weeks we will attempt to have some progress on a "State Of The Ecosystem" document. If not 100% complete, at least something good enough to merge into the repo and show off in an incomplete state.

• WIP PR: Create ecosystem-guide.md #11

[Osspial]

I'd like to set a hard deadline of releasing an initial version of raw-window-handle by the time the next meeting happens. That'll let us talk about how ecosystem integration is going, and any potential pitfalls in the design that weren't foreseen.

[Lokathor]

Let's release at least the day before so that people have an evening to try it out before the meeting.

[Lokathor]

Agenda Update:

• raw-window-handle is out and supported by winit and glutin.
• Issues have been filed on various graphical repos for them to support this new API

So now the discussion is "how much have the graphics caught up yet?"

[Lokathor]

@kvark: My work schedule changed so I'll have to join the meeting from my phone from here on basically. @alex also said in Discord just now that they won't be able to attend this one.

Could you direct today's meeting, and also possibly record it?

[kvark]

@Lokathor Ok, sure. It's probably going to be short :)

[kvark]

Very brief notes from the meeting:

Ecosystem guide

Can't do it while staying opinionated. Instead, we need to improve AreWeGameYet organization in multiple ways:

1. Indicate the "liveness": if something is outdated versus recently updated
2. Classify with features that we (the community and the working group) all agree on. Modifying the feature labels would need to be peer-reviewed so that the classification stays objective at large.
3. Give a clue about the tech stack ("main" dependencies) as well as compatibility (e.g. "this works with winit").

(Edit: somewhat in line with rust-gamedev/rust-gamedev.github.io#6 (comment))

Another complementary approach is to try mapping the ecosystem crates to the gamedev map, which would allow us to identify missing pieces.

@Wodann (Remco) (what is the github handle?) volunteered to champion this work, or at least work on the design of these improvements.

Raw Window Handle

gfx-rs and wgpu-rs integration is on the way (publishing today/tomorrow).

Has known 2 issues:

1. GL init requires more than just a window handle. It's not possible to init the context on an existing window handle. (link to issue by @omni-viral ?). @Lokathor expressed interest in spawning the discussion about this.
2. Metal initialization is canonically done via CAMetalLayer which isn't directly exposed by the raw-window-handle, see How should users interface with graphics libraries on macOS/iOS? rust-windowing/raw-window-handle#14

Connection to the core Rust team

We need a place to share all the requests to the language and standard library. It could be done a markdown file in this repo. @aclysma (Philip) (github handle?) will follow up with a PR with the initial list they have.

[Wodann]

Remco (what is the github handle?)
@Wodann

[Lokathor]

Kev Kae said they recorded the meeting and they'll post the link here once it's uploaded

[kabergstrom]

Recording of the meeting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-X_V43z3Dg

[aclysma]

Philip (github handle?)
@aclysma

[JeanMertz]

Recording of the meeting

Quick question: can we get a global rust gamedev account on YouTube so when different people do the recording, it still ends up on the same place, and people can follow that account for notifications?

Such a channel could also include other videos related to rust game dev (segregated in different playlists).

This is similar to how other WGs are doing this.

[Lokathor]

We could and should, the biggest problem is that a 1hr recording is about 1gb, so moving the videos around is a bit of a problem. We can probably just make an account and share the credentials as necessary so that whoever recorded each one can put it directly on YouTube.

[minecrawler]

Just to throw in options: there are programs which can reduce the size drastically easily. Let me quote Handbreak for example, which reduced the size of the Amethyst animation from >1GB to 1.5MB :)