Hot Reload is a Hot Mess - Bring Back Designer Please #8652
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Maui needs a designer |
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Can you share the Visual Studio version used? |
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seeing the same issue debugging windows target in this version: |
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look at them pretending like it's not happening, like they don't use their product in the same way a working class people does |
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(I work on the XAML Hot Reload team, these are my opinions) First, thank you for trying Hot Reload. For the Translation DLL error, that's being thrown if you allow all exceptions to be thrown within your applications. It doesn't affect Hot Reload itself from working. I would file that as an issue with VS Feedback though, since most likely the WinUI Hot Reload stack isn't inserting or loading that DLL when it should, or it may not actually exist. I would highly encourage you, whenever you hit an issue trying to hot reload, to try to replicate whatever you were trying to change in C# Code to see if you can invoke the change in general, without XAML Hot Reload (Ex. If you try to change the background color of a page with XAML Hot Reload and it doesn't work, try changing it via C# code behind.) If it doesn't work there, it's an MAUI bug. Lastly, I'm okay with talking about a MAUI Designer, but if you think Hot Reload is a mess you should think what the designer runs on top of, and if it would have the same issues. |
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Hot reload does not work for me either. To replicate the problem is no problem but since nothing happens not sure what I would send |
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Hot reload currently does not work with C# at all when Im using community toolkit markup. Issue here (https://developercommunity2.visualstudio.com/t/Hot-Reload-Not-Working-with-NET-MAUI-Co/10081168?space=8&q=dot+net+maui+hot+reload+markup&sort=relevance) |
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I understand your line of thought but I think you are missing the point here, even if the designer runs on the same execution principles being used for Hot-Reload, there is a clear difference in UX with those two-features. There are also many features that are specific to a designer like align, grids, snap to grid and others that are a bliss when working with a designer. |
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WPF designer exists in Visual Studio since at least 2008, that's 12 or 13 years before hot reload. The designer feature is to design components individually without the context of the application |
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We need a designer Hot Reload just does nothing for me |
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Maybe use what's in a human's skull to hot reload, maybe write codes that doesn't require debugging, the concept of business rules engine should be your enterprise internal framework that makes writing code like scripting that can't go wrong |
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this was suggested some time ago #3439 and I agree, that we need a designer. This (XAML/C#) Hotreload also never worked for me |
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if xaml hotrealod not work, you can see my library ReloadPreview, it use reflection to load dll to preview, i used it when hotreload break. |
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I frequently run my MAUI projects directly from my mac to the ios simulator. I suppose "hot reload" is only available if you use Visual Studio. It doesn't seem to be a feature I can use. Would anyone be kind enough to confirm hot reload is VS only? Thanks. |
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Brand new app showing hot reload does not work.
Brand new app showing hot reload does not work by changing the background color in the code-behind. |
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@pouchbunny That's C# Hot Reload, and you're changing a value in the constructer. The only way that would change is if you reinvoked creating the page again. |
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So Hot Reload is suppose to update the running app when it doesn't update once the change is made in the XAML? Does that include when using OnIdiom? |
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Hot reload is not advanced enough to remember what you did to get to the point you are so if you changed something in a sub-routine that doesn't not propagate well into the side effects then into the memory of your objects but if you changed the value of say a variable that's referenced by other objects then the app is going to be showing that change. They are having a hard moment developing hot reload that can trace all side effects, that's a general computer science problem and I guess no one is smart enough to figure it out yet, but if MAUI doesn't use XAML and Haskell was used instead of C# it may be possible to undo and redo steps that are executed since the application started therefore being able to trace how the changes in codes can affect the current state of the application |
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I'm moving this to discussions. There is nothing actionable on this issue that could be "fixed" here, but the discussion is a good one. |
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Also, it's clear that many people want this just by looking at the following other issues: I'm also surprised that y'all keep closing these issues. Rather than close the issues - which gives us users the idea that you aren't taking any action on the issue - how about incorporating them into your to-do list? |
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My previous issue that I opened about this exact topic (Issue #6782 which I linked above) received 13 heart reactions, ranking it 14th in a list of nearly 5000 issues (both opened and closed) according to Github, and yet y'all just simply closed it. SMH. |
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Instead of closing issues and ignoring the developers you should focus on solving it because people will move out of MAUI and it will simply die |
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I don't think this is a discussion per se, I think it's an issue that's going to lead to a reduced market share for WinUI and Xamarin and would lead to people either returning to WPF or quitting native windows development all together. I'm not a frontend developer. I'll never need be a frontend developer because I don't think I need to do frontend and I don't like to do frontend by itself. Or at least, I didn't need to go out of my way to learn to like frontend because it was practically effortless with frameworks like WPF and its designer view. This is the kind of cheap shit that microsoft keeps pulling that makes me think to completely abandon the windows ecosystem and make something more progressive. Obviously not with WASM or that bloated chromium instance that discord, notion, tetrio, cider, and too many apps use that I refuse to show in a positive light because it's somehow managed to be more of a resource hog than UWP. PS: Seriously, why does tetris need an entire chrome instance to itself? |
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Is this pompompuring speaking from prison |
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Months and months later, and hot reload still does not work?! I started a new project, and something as simple as changing the text on a label won't even refresh on the emulator. And why throw away the XAML designer? We don't want to edit XAML as text. Having to stop and restart to see every single change is ridiculous and incredibly time consuming. |
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Was it ever working? Never really worked for me since the time of xamarin. Really frustrating issue indeed. On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 10:15 AM, Xyncgas ***@***.***> wrote:
Maybe use what's in a human's skull to hot reload
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In MAUI nothing than Xaml hot reload works for me in practice. Compared to a Windows Forms project where almost any code change can be hot reloaded. In MAUI, the percentage is close to zero cases. |
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Same here, It's pretty much useless. |
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hot reload doesnt work for me either when I'm using windows laptop with an ios local device. It is not possible with c# hot reload at all with this template MAUI project. And with xaml hot reload sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't work. You don't know when this thing will throw several exceptions and then close the program. |
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Just gonna say something wild here to see if MS is actually overlooking this thread or just ignoring it all together, for shits and giggles. ░M░Y░D░E░S░I░G░N░E░R░ ░V░I░E░W░ ░I░ N░B░I░O ░ |
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Hot Reload is working pretty well for me. Saves a lot of time. If you are using it to design your view and controls, then it wouldn't work well for you. But you should use Hot Reload to "correct/improve" your view. |
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Hot reload is a huge hit and miss - it works pretty well in hello world scenarios, as soon as you do something complex real world than it has issues.. Designer is not the answer.. they just have to make work and stop using noddy sample in demos.. |
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Description
Not sure if this is a Visual Studio issue or something directly related to MAUI extension.
The designer saved a lot of time when trying to place new controls and immediately told you if you broke something. Hot reload doesn't come close to what designer was.
Working with hot reload in android is somewhat doable on a physical device, but there are plenty of issues with controls and elements not showing up or when changing and pressing hot reload does nothing.
However, in windows I get the following when trying to make any changes to a control:
Steps to Reproduce
System.IO.FileNotFoundException: 'Could not load file or assembly 'C:\PROGRAM FILES\MICROSOFT VISUAL STUDIO\2022\PREVIEW\COMMON7\IDE\EXTENSIONS\XAMARIN\HOTRELOAD\Xamarin.HotReload.Translations.resources.dll'. The system cannot find the file specified.'
System.IO.FileNotFoundException: 'Could not load file or assembly 'C:\PROGRAM FILES\MICROSOFT VISUAL STUDIO\2022\PREVIEW\COMMON7\IDE\EXTENSIONS\XAMARIN\HOTRELOAD\Xamarin.HotReload.Translations.resources.dll'. The system cannot find the file specified.'
C:\Users<user>\AppData\Local\SourceServer\eadebd0e280cb63072d4f3dab4bae61499c95ec06ecba9ac0adcfe780209ab51\src\coreclr\System.Private.CoreLib\src\System\Resources\ManifestBasedResourceGroveler.CoreCLR.cs
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Version with bug
6.0.400 (current)
Last version that worked well
Unknown/Other
Affected platforms
Windows
Affected platform versions
Windows 10
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